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Understanding Anxiety & OCD in Teens: Symptoms, Causes, and Impact

This podcast episode from WayPoint Academy aims to help parents understand and support their teens struggling with anxiety and OCD. The episode features a discussion between clinical experts on the pervasiveness of anxiety in teens, recognizing the signs, how anxiety impacts family dynamics, and the different types of anxiety disorders. WayPoint Academy provides specialized residential treatment and support for teens dealing with these issues, including personalized therapy and guidance for parents. The goal is to help teens develop coping mechanisms and create a supportive home environment.

Seeing your child grapple with overwhelming anxiety can be a deeply distressing experience. As a parent, you might feel a wave of emotions, from helplessness to frustration, as you witness your teen struggling with this invisible burden. That’s why we at WayPoint Academy have made this podcast series. 

This episode, "Understanding Anxiety & OCD in Teens", aims to provide parents like you with practical guidance and support. The episode features Mark Rainsdon, LCSW, clinical director at WayPoint Academy, in conversation with Tiffany Herlin, LCSW. They explore teen anxiety through a compassionate and informative lens. Here are some of the crucial points discussed:

  • The pervasiveness of anxiety in teens: They shed light on the alarming statistics, highlighting how widespread anxiety is among teenagers and emphasizing the role of social media in exacerbating this issue.
  • Recognizing the Signs: The common indicators of anxiety in teens are discussed, ranging from school refusal and social withdrawal to somatic complaints like stomachaches and headaches.
  • Understanding how anxiety impacts family dynamics: The conversation explores how a teen's anxiety can unintentionally shift the family dynamic, leading to parental accommodation, strained relationships with siblings, and an overall sense of imbalance within the household.
  • Exploring a Range of Anxiety Disorders: The episode provides valuable insight into the different types of anxiety disorders that commonly affect teens, including social anxiety, panic disorders, OCD, and agoraphobia.
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WayPoint Academy, a long-term residential treatment program, provides specialized support for teens grappling with anxiety and OCD. WayPoint’s team of highly skilled therapists offers personalized therapy to help teens develop coping mechanisms and navigate the challenges of anxiety. WayPoint Academy recognizes the importance of family involvement and provides support and guidance to parents, helping them understand their teen's anxiety and equipping them with strategies to foster a supportive home environment. Call us at 801-491-2271 to talk to our admissions team and learn how your teen can heal.

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This is the first episode in WayPoint's podcast series on ERP. You can listen to episodes 2 and 3 to continue learning more about how ERP helps teens with anxiety:

Ep. 2: Exposure Response Prevention Therapy: What It Is & How It Works.

Ep. 3: How to Know If Your Teen Needs ERP Treatment for Anxiety or OCD

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    Introduction to Teen Anxiety Solutions

    Tiffany: Welcome to today’s podcast. If your teen struggles with anxiety and you’re unsure what steps to take, this episode is for you. Today, I’m joined by Mark from WayPoint Academy. Mark will introduce himself, share a bit about WayPoint, and discuss some effective solutions for teens dealing with anxiety.

    So, Mark, could you tell us about WayPoint Academy and your role there?

    Mark: Sure. WayPoint Academy is a long-term residential program focused specifically on helping students who have anxiety and OCD. I’m the clinical director, overseeing a team of five skilled therapists. Our team is highly specialized, and they’re truly experts in working with anxiety and OCD. We also stay updated on the latest techniques and therapies that best support students in overcoming these challenges.

    Tiffany: Great! Let’s talk more about anxiety in teens, something almost every parent encounters to some degree. We’ll also be discussing a treatment method called ERP—Exposure and Response Prevention therapy—but first, let’s start with the issue itself. How common is anxiety in teens?

    Mark: Anxiety in teens is quite common. By age 13, about 8% of teens in the U.S. are dealing with some form of anxiety. By age 18, that number rises to 15%. Anxiety can show up in different ways, like school refusal, avoiding social interactions, or even refusing to leave the house. We’ll dive into more specific examples shortly.

    Tiffany: Right, that’s a significant number. I believe the estimate is around 31.9% of adolescents who have an anxiety disorder. That seems high.

    Mark: It is. Anxiety is especially common today, partly because of social media and how easily people can compare themselves to others. Teens see posts like “Susie just went on a vacation” or “Susie won this award” and start thinking, “I didn’t do that. I must be failing.” But what they don’t realize is that social media is just a highlight reel. Many students don’t understand this, and it fuels their anxiety.

    Tiffany: That makes sense. Do you notice any differences in anxiety between boys and girls?

    Mark: Yes. Research shows that anxiety is more prevalent among females than males. We don’t know the exact reason for this, but from what I’ve seen in my clients, girls often compare themselves in terms of appearance or popularity—things traditionally influenced by media images. Boys, on the other hand, tend to compare themselves based on athletic or academic performance.

    Tiffany: That resonates with me, both as a female therapist and as a mom to daughters. I see that comparison dynamic so often, especially now with social media, which wasn’t around when I was a teen. It intensifies things.

    Mark: Absolutely. I feel for these kids. I didn’t have Facebook until college, and I was already an anxious teen. I can only imagine how much tougher it would have been if I’d had social media then.

    Tiffany: Same here.

    Mark: So, being able to work with teens and help them understand that social media is just a highlight reel is incredibly rewarding. It’s great to see them realize, “Hey, my life is worthwhile. I have good things going on. Let’s focus on my blessings rather than what others seem to have.”

    Tiffany: Right, it’s about coming from an abundance mentality rather than a scarcity mentality. And I’m sure hormones don’t make things easier—from a female perspective, I can say that. It complicates things.

    Mark: That’s so true.

    Signs and Symptoms of Anxiety

    Tiffany: What are some of the signs and symptoms of anxiety in teens?

    Mark: Oh, there are so many. At WayPoint, one of the most common signs we see is school refusal. I’ve worked with students who haven’t gone to school in over two years because they’re anxious about performing well. It’s interesting because many of these students are brilliant—they’re the kind of kids you wouldn’t want to play chess with because they’d likely win every time. But they often have this perfectionistic attitude toward school. If they get an A-minus, it can be devastating.

    Other signs include social withdrawal. These teens may have friends, but when invited to go out—to a movie, the park, or the skate park—they often make excuses, saying, “No, I’m busy.” Parents can see through this, knowing their teen isn’t actually busy but is just avoiding social situations. Often, these teens think, “They’re just inviting me to be polite; they don’t want me there.”

    Then there’s the tendency to isolate. With technology, it’s easy to retreat into a world where they have everything they need—phone, computer, and access to everything online. It’s often more comfortable for them to interact socially online rather than in person. I joke with my students that managing relationships online is easier because, if there’s conflict, they can just click “unfollow” and avoid any difficult conversations.

    Tiffany: Yes, it’s so much easier.

    Mark: They don’t have to deal with face-to-face conversations, like explaining hurt feelings or navigating annoyances. It’s simple to just walk away. And because of that, we’re seeing more and more of these behaviors.

    Tiffany: Absolutely. And online, they don’t have to read social cues, body language, or subtleties. I imagine you also see a lot of difficulty with completing assignments and daily activities, and even living through social media rather than real life. What other things do you notice?

    Mark: When it comes to struggling with assignments, it’s often not an inability to complete them. At WayPoint, we say we don’t treat anxiety; we treat avoidance. One of the core lessons I want my students to leave WayPoint with is understanding that there’s nothing inherently wrong with anxiety. Anxiety is simply an emotion, just like happiness or joy. I often reference the Pixar movie Inside Out to explain this concept, though my kids are probably tired of hearing about it.

    Tiffany: I love that movie!

    Mark: Me too! It illustrates emotions well. I explain to students that anxiety has always served a purpose. I ask them to imagine a caveman in the forest who hears a twig snap—his heart rate spikes, adrenaline surges, and he’s ready to outrun his buddy to avoid the saber-tooth tiger. While we’re no longer facing those physical dangers, anxiety still shows up in situations like public speaking or taking tests, which helps us prepare and stay alert.

    Once students start seeing anxiety as a tool rather than something to fear, it becomes easier for them to complete tasks. They stop worrying that not performing perfectly will “end their world.” For example, if a student takes the ACT and doesn’t get the score they hoped for, they can shift from panicking to thinking, “This just means I need to study more.” They can then work with a tutor or their parents to improve.

    We’ve seen students who haven’t attended school for two years begin showing up at WayPoint’s school. They go from sitting at the back of the class to moving to the front, from listening to music in class to finally engaging in assignments. Eventually, they realize, “School isn’t a danger; it’s something I can take pride in.” And even if they earn a B, they feel proud of their hard work. 

    Tiffany: That’s interesting. It sounds like their nervous system is stuck in a “fight, flight, or freeze” state, which might feed into perfectionism and shame, leading them to avoid things due to their fear of failure. Helping them work through that—like with ERP, which we’ll touch on shortly—makes a lot of sense. What other signs and symptoms do you commonly see in adolescents? I imagine they struggle with coping skills and executive functioning at times.

    Mark: One of the intriguing aspects of anxiety is that we often see students who are the perfect models at school, but they come home as completely different people. I’ve had so many parents describe going to parent-teacher conferences hoping to discuss their child’s struggles—like schoolwork issues or tantrums at home—only to hear the teacher say, “Oh, we just love Jimmy! He’s so kind, attentive, and responsible.” The parents then ask me, “Does my kid just not like me?” But the reality is, it’s quite the opposite.

    When kids are at school, they’re “white-knuckling” it—they’re holding everything in, following instructions, and keeping their anxieties tightly controlled. Then, when they get home and see those taillights of the school bus fade, they finally feel they can relax. And that’s when all the pent-up frustration, anxiety, and stress come out.

    Tiffany: Because they feel safe there.

    Mark: It’s this ironic dynamic where parents feel like their child hates them, but in truth, the child feels safe enough to be vulnerable around them. Our goal is to help them feel safe enough at school, too—around teachers, school counselors, and support staff—so they can release some of that tension there. This way, when they come home, they’re still in a safe place, but it’s less about managing pent-up frustration and more about actually being able to connect without that buildup of emotion.

    Tiffany: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

    Mark: Another thing we see is tantrums, especially at home. Some students will throw a tantrum over not getting the newest game or not being allowed to hang out with friends. What’s happening here is that they were relying on those activities—like playing a game or socializing—as a way to cope with their anxiety. When you say “No,” they perceive that as you taking away their coping mechanism. So, it’s not about them being out of control or rebellious; it’s about them feeling like the world is out of control, and those activities were one of the few things they could use to manage that anxiety.

    Tiffany: I’ve seen that with clients dealing with anxiety—they feel like they can’t control what’s going on inside, so they try to control what’s going on outside. That leads to overreactions to seemingly minor issues.

    Mark: This is especially true for students with OCD. One common symptom is parental accommodation. For example, we had a student a while ago who had contamination-related OCD. He made his parents buy him dozens of toothbrushes because he believed each one was contaminated. The parents thought they were helping by buying these new toothbrushes, but it only reinforced the behavior. Similarly, some kids with anxiety convince their parents to call the school and say they’re sick, even when they’re not, to avoid school. The parents, feeling bad about the anxiety, try to cover for their child, which ends up accommodating the anxiety, making it worse.

    Tiffany: That makes sense. It’s like the parents are trying to make up for the distress their child is feeling.

    Mark: Another symptom we often see is somatic complaints, like stomach aches, GI issues, headaches, or even fevers. These are ways the anxiety manifests physically or is used as an excuse to avoid difficult situations. The brain is signaling that there’s danger, even though the danger isn’t real. Physical complaints can sometimes be a way for the child to maintain some sense of control over their external world.

    These kids—especially the ones we work with at WayPoint—are often very bright. They’ll go to great lengths to “keep themselves safe,” even if that means creating elaborate ways to avoid situations that cause them anxiety. It’s fascinating to see how creative they can get in finding ways to manage their emotions, even if those ways aren’t healthy.

    Tiffany: That makes total sense when you understand the nervous system. If someone’s in a constant state of fight, flight, or freeze, they’re not in a “rest and digest” state. Their body is on alert, and parents don’t always realize how interconnected everything is. When someone is struggling emotionally, it can show up physically. That’s when we start clenching our teeth, getting migraines, or holding tension in our necks, which causes more headaches or stomachaches. Their system is stuck in a constant state of alarm, so it can’t function properly. It’s all connected—even if a parent takes their child to the doctor, and the doctor can’t find a physical reason for their symptoms. Helping parents understand that is key.

    Mark: And that brings us to what anxious teens have in common. The biggest thing they share is maladaptive coping strategies.

    Tiffany: Yeah.

    Mark: They tend to isolate or hide. They might lie, but it’s not the kind of lying to hurt someone—it’s more like lying to protect themselves. So, instead of just maladaptive coping strategies, I’d also say there’s a lack or misuse of effective coping strategies. For example, I work with students and teach them coping strategies like distraction. But the first question I usually get is, “Well, Mark, you told me not to avoid.”

    Tiffany: Right.

    Mark: They often ask, “Why are you teaching me to distract?” They don’t understand that distraction is very effective—until it turns into avoidance. So I’ll ask them, “What are some things you enjoy doing?” For example, if a student likes reading, I’ll say, “Great, let’s pick out a book, put it in your binder, and carry it with you. When you start to feel anxious, let’s measure it on a 1 to 10 scale of distress. 1 is calm and collected, and 10 is feeling like your head is on fire.” When their distress hits a 5, I tell them to pull out the book, read for 5 or 10 minutes to let their system cool down, and then re-engage with the anxiety-causing activity.

    What usually happens is they get into the book and end up reading the entire class period. Then, I’ll get a call from the teacher saying, “Why is he reading the whole class time?” So, it’s not just about teaching coping strategies—it’s about using them correctly. Recently, a student told me he’d used all his coping strategies “30 times over” but still wasn’t feeling better. So I asked him, “Have you tried sitting with the anxiety, inviting it in, and befriending it?” He asked, “Why would I do that?”

    The issue was, he was trying to get rid of the anxiety. But the main approach to treating anxiety is not to eliminate it—it’s to accept it, to make it part of who you are. The more you try to push it away, the more it clings on. But when you sit with it, let it be, it will eventually lose its power. So I told him, “Why don’t you go outside, sit in one of our chairs for 20 or 30 minutes, and just be with the anxiety?” He reluctantly agreed. After about 10 minutes, he came back and said, “Yeah, I feel better. What the heck?”

    Tiffany: It’s not as scary as they think it is.

    Mark: They might not feel great, but that’s okay. We talk about getting comfortable with discomfort. It’s something we address over multiple sessions.

    Tiffany: A lot of times, the emotions teens experience are trying to tell them something. It’s like a little alert saying, “Hey, something’s off.” The more they try to avoid, ignore, or bury those feelings, the louder they get. It’s like the emotions are saying, “You’re not paying attention to me. Something needs to change.”

    Mark: That’s a great example. For this particular student, we processed his emotions and discovered he was worried about whether he’d make enough progress before going home. And I had to be honest with him: “You may not, and that’s okay.” It’s a reality we had to address. So we talked about the fear of failure—what happens if he goes home and starts experiencing anxiety and panic attacks again? By addressing that fear now, he has a plan. He’s gaining skills and knowledge so if the worst happens, he’s ready. And if it doesn’t happen, he can feel good knowing he did the prep work, even if it wasn’t needed.

    Tiffany: That makes sense. Going back to the book example, I have a daughter who teeters on that line of avoidance versus coping. She loves reading, but sometimes I have to take the books away because she gets lost in them for hours, and it becomes avoidance. That’s a great example, and I’m sure many parents can relate to that with their teens.

    Family Dynamics Affected by Anxiety

    Tiffany: What are the effects on teens and their families? We touched on avoidance earlier, but let's dive deeper into that.

    Mark: With the students I work with, a common pattern I see in families is that the child, often unknowingly, becomes the “ruler” of the house. Parents will often share with me that they had plans, like going on a vacation, but they couldn’t because the child’s anxiety kept them from leaving the house. It also affects the other children in the family—siblings become upset and resistant toward the child struggling with anxiety. There’s a lot of tension, even sibling rivalry, especially when one child seems to be excelling in areas like academics or sports. The struggling child feels they can’t measure up, and that can lead to fighting and disruptions in the household. The parents, in turn, become frustrated and don’t know why it’s happening.

    But often, the truth is that the child struggling with anxiety is inadvertently taking up more attention, not the successful sibling. Parents can end up focusing so much on the child with anxiety that the other children feel neglected, even though they seem to be doing well on their own. This can create resentment among siblings. Additionally, parents often feel trapped. They may believe they can’t go out for date nights or have fun because they feel obligated to stay home and attend to their child with anxiety. This creates strain on the family system as a whole.

    When these families come to WayPoint, it’s not uncommon for parents to experience anxiety or even shame. They feel guilty for sending their child to treatment.

    Tiffany: Yeah, I’ve seen that too.

    Mark: And when they tell me about it, I reassure them: "It’s okay. You’re allowed to feel okay that your child is in treatment. It means you’re giving yourself the space to reconnect with your partner, knowing that your child is in good hands." Parents need to understand that it’s okay to take care of themselves too.

    Sometimes, we even see regret and shame surface in small ways—like parents feeling guilty about things they had to do to accommodate their child, such as overprotecting them. You see, regret and shame also come up with parents, bringing it back to the parents who had the toothbrushes. When we asked them about that, they were kind of sheepish about it, like, "Yeah..." 

    Tiffany: They didn't want to admit it.

    Mark: Exactly. They didn't want to admit it, but deep down, they knew they were accommodating their child’s OCD. From their perspective, though, they were doing it to keep the child safe and, ultimately, alive. It’s that sense of guilt and shame even before they come to treatment. They realize they’re doing things that might be reinforcing the child’s OCD or anxiety, maybe even making it worse. But, at the moment, they’re just trying to maintain peace in the house, to keep things from falling apart.

    Tiffany: They’re trying to keep homeostasis, like you said. And I imagine the whole dynamic in the house gets turned upside down. Normally, you’ve got the parents at the top, and the kids underneath, with the family running in a certain rhythm. But when the child becomes the central focus, and all those accommodations are made... that’s when you get a negative feedback loop, right?

    And let’s be honest—every parent out there has probably done some kind of accommodation for their kids. I know I have. I have a child who’s very sensitive to certain foods and is a picky eater. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve given them other options, hoping they’d eat something. It wasn’t until my husband pointed out, “She needs to eat more of the mac and cheese,” and I said, “But she won’t eat it.” And he said, “That’s okay. We need to move past that.”

    Mark: That’s such a great example.

    Tiffany: Right? And that’s the thing. All of us, as parents, have struggled with this to some degree. Helping parents understand they’re not alone in this struggle is so important. We’ve all been there.

    Mark: I love the example you shared about your family because it resonates with me, too. I have a three-year-old, and sometimes when I talk to parents about family accommodations, I think they feel like I’m judging them. But I always try to back it up by saying, “Hey, I’m not in your family system, so it’s easy for me to stand on the outside and suggest different ways of doing things. But check back with me in 10 years, when my daughter is 13, or in 13 years when she’s 16. I’ll probably be doing the same things I’m advising you not to do.” I can just picture my colleagues looking at me and saying, “Mark, weren’t you just telling a family yesterday not to do this, and here you are, doing it yourself.”

    Because as a therapist, I care about the kids I work with, but that can’t compare to the love their parents have for them. It’s why I can push these kids a little harder than a parent might feel comfortable doing. So, when I work with parents, I make it clear, “Look, I’m going to challenge you, I’m going to push you—but if you don’t follow through on it, I’m not judging you.”

    Tiffany: Yeah.

    Mark: It makes sense why parents do what they do.

    Tiffany: Absolutely. As therapists, we’re trained to spot patterns in other people’s lives, especially when they’re negative or unhelpful. But pointing out to parents, “Hey, did you know you might be contributing to your child’s behavior?”—that’s tough. And it’s even harder to see those patterns in our own lives. We’re all wearing blinders when it comes to our own families because there’s so much emotion involved. That’s why I’m always reevaluating, asking myself, “What am I missing?” I try to teach parents to do the same because when you’re in the middle of a messy situation—dealing with a child’s anxiety or OCD, with all the accommodations and avoidance behaviors—it’s tough to see clearly.

    Mark: Exactly. It can be a vicious cycle.

    Tiffany: Is there anything else you want to add about what families might be experiencing? 

    Mark: The last thing I’d like to touch on is that sense of feeling lost within the family system. When a child has anxiety or OCD, it’s natural for parents to wonder, “What do I do?” That anxiety can become overwhelming, and parents might start unintentionally dropping the ball in other areas—maybe with their other kids or even with the child who’s struggling. The worry can be all-consuming: “Will my kid be okay? Will they be able to handle life outside of our home?”

    So, you end up with this dynamic where other kids in the family who are doing well might start feeling overlooked, which can lead them to act out, too. Then parents think, “I’m failing.” But it’s not about failure; it’s about finding support. When kids are discharged from WayPoint, I always remind families, “If you bring your child home and try to do this alone, it’s going to be tough. You need a support system.” Whether it’s loved ones, friends, or even other parents you can reach out to, it makes all the difference to have people you can lean on when things feel overwhelming.

    A personal story comes to mind—I wasn’t the easiest kid, and I’ll never forget a moment when I overheard my mom on the phone with my grandmother, in tears, saying, “I just don’t feel like I’m a good parent; Mark’s doing this, that, and the other.” Looking back, I’m so grateful she had my grandmother to talk to, who I’m sure reassured her by saying something like, “Have you seen your brothers? You’re doing just fine.”

    Tiffany: That’s such a powerful story. The saying, “It takes a village,” is so true. And for parents, it’s crucial to realize they don’t have to go through this alone. So often, though, shame and guilt make parents keep these struggles secret. They feel they’re failing, so they don’t reach out. They buckle down and try to handle it all, but that just makes things harder. It’s okay to ask for help and to acknowledge that, yes, this is hard. You’re not a bad parent. It’s just that we all need support sometimes. We really can’t do this alone.

    Mark: If there’s one thing I hope parents take away from this, it’s that your child didn’t come with an instruction manual.

    Tiffany: I wish they did.

    Mark: Right? But honestly, I don’t know how useful it would be, because kids are always changing. Now that I have a child of my own, I can see it—year one is different from year two, and I can only imagine how much will keep shifting. By the time they’re teenagers, any “manual” would be outdated.

    Tiffany: As soon as you think you’ve figured something out, a new challenge comes along.

    Mark: So if you feel like you’re failing, just remember that we all feel that way at times. Raising a child is challenging because each one is unique, and they’ll keep changing day by day.

    Tiffany: And especially if you’re dealing with a child with severe anxiety or OCD, you’re not alone.

    Mark: That’s something I appreciate about WayPoint. During our parent weekends, families often start a bit nervous, wondering if they’re going to be judged. But as they begin sharing their stories, they start to open up, and by the end of the day, they’re connecting, exchanging phone numbers, and making plans to stay in touch.

    And that’s the thing: every kid struggles in some way. It doesn’t matter if you’re Dr. Phil or a renowned psychiatrist—every child faces challenges. Some kids are more resilient and able to adapt, while others need a bit more support. The key is realizing that no one is truly alone in this journey. 

    Tiffany: Every kid is so unique, which brings me to my next question. When we talk about anxiety in teens, it can mean a lot of different things. Can you talk about the types of anxiety teens might experience? What one family sees as anxiety in their teen might look different for another family, right?

    Understanding the Nature of Anxiety

    Mark: A good place to start is to understand what anxiety is before diving into the different types. Anxiety is our body’s fight, flight, or freeze response—the parasympathetic nervous system in action. It’s that sense of feeling threatened in some way, which triggers this system to react. “Flight” is wanting to run away, and “freeze” is staying still, like feeling paralyzed.

    Tiffany: Like a deer in headlights.

    Mark: When we understand anxiety this way, we start to see all the different ways it can show up. It can come into play in social situations, for example. I feel anxiety when I go to conferences. I’ll walk into a room full of clinicians, some with 30 years of experience, and I start thinking, “I can’t talk to them; they know so much more than I do.” My anxiety spikes. But I also have tools to manage it, so I get through. This kind of anxiety is more social-based.

    Tiffany: And really, anxiety is just our body’s way of keeping us safe. People often think of it as bad, but it’s a mechanism that kicks in when we feel threatened.

    Mark: When I explain this to students, I usually compare it to caveman times.

    Tiffany: Yeah.

    Mark: Back then, anxiety kept people safe from real dangers—like saber-toothed tigers. We don’t have that level of physical threat anymore. But our brains are still wired to look for safety threats, even in today’s relatively safe environments.

    Tiffany: Let’s pause for a second. Anyone who went through 2020 probably has some level of anxiety. We were dealing with this invisible threat, right? Not just COVID-19, but also a lot of social upheaval. There was this feeling of threat that we couldn’t even see, which, for me, heightened my anxiety way more than if I were facing a bear.

    Mark: Right, and that depends on the person. I used to do wilderness therapy, and some of my friends in that field would see a bear and think, "Okay, whatever." But with COVID and all the chaos of 2020 and 2021, even those calm-in-nature types started buying supplies and prepping for the worst. It’s all about how each of us appraises threats based on our unique experiences and perspectives.

    One of the concepts we discuss with students is “threat appraisal.” For example, someone who’s comfortable with wild animals might stay calm around a bear, thinking, "If I just stay still, it’ll pass." But the same person might have an intense reaction to social threats—like the pandemic—where they’re stocking up supplies and sanitizing everything.

    Tiffany: And it’s so individual, right? Especially for students who haven’t been to school in a while. Their threat appraisal of social situations—like the fear of looking foolish or not knowing something—can be through the roof.

    Mark: Exactly, that’s where social anxiety comes in.

    Tiffany: Social anxiety, yes. But what about performance anxiety? That’s a bit different, right?

    Mark: Definitely. Some students might be able to perform in a play, like playing Romeo on stage, but when it comes to a math test, their anxiety kicks in. They’re worried about not getting a perfect score, and that fear can stop them from even trying.

    A common behavior we see is students getting most of an assignment done, then stuffing it into the bottom of their backpacks and never turning it in.

    Tiffany: That’s classic avoidance—avoiding assignments and not completing tasks.

    Mark: Or, interestingly, they might even complete an assignment but still hide it at the bottom of their backpack. They avoid handing it in because they’re afraid they might get a bad grade or just an average one. That’s another form of anxiety.

    Then there's health-related anxiety. We see this with somatic complaints—students might have physical symptoms that aren’t linked to any illness, like a random sharp pain in the stomach. Most people would just dismiss it as no big deal, but for some students, it triggers intense worry.

    There’s also anxiety around body image.

    Tiffany: Definitely.

    Mark: And some students even have anxiety about their voice. I’ve had students who go silent because they’re self-conscious about their voice sounding too high, too deep, or just not how they think it "should" sound. So, a better question might be: where don’t we find anxiety?

    Anxiety can pop up in almost any part of life; it all comes down to how we appraise the threat in each situation.

    Tiffany: That makes so much sense. Clinically speaking, though, it might help to clarify some specific types of anxiety for parents. For example, generalized anxiety disorder is marked by excessive, uncontrollable worry over everyday things.

    Exploring OCD

    Tiffany: Let’s dive into a term we often hear in our field—and even more so on social media—OCD, or obsessive-compulsive disorder. Can you briefly explain what true OCD looks like?

    Mark: Sure. There’s what I call “colloquial OCD,” the version we often see in movies and TV shows. I’m not a fan of it because it trivializes real OCD, which is a challenging disorder.

    OCD is like having a “Velcro brain.” For example, if you feel a minor pain in your stomach, you can assess it, decide it’s not serious, and move on. But for someone with OCD, that worry sticks like Velcro. They might think, “I need to check, or I need to do certain things to feel safe.” This turns into a feedback loop—they check and feel momentarily better, but then the anxiety returns, leading them to check again. Over time, it can become so debilitating that it prevents them from leaving the house.

    Tiffany: So, they perform repetitive behaviors to try and manage their anxiety, right?

    Mark: One type that often comes up in media is contamination OCD. A person might fear they touched something that could harm them unless they wash their hands. Washing temporarily eases the anxiety, but it doesn’t address the underlying fear; it just masks the symptoms.

    Tiffany: So it’s like putting a bandaid on the anxiety.

    Mark: Then, they start second-guessing—“Did I wash my hands long enough? Did I use the right soap? Is this soap from the right store?” Over time, they might wash so frequently that their hands become raw. When we talk about OCD, we need to understand both the obsessive side—the Velcro brain that fixates on fears—and the compulsive side, where they feel compelled to act on those fears. This can include fears about contamination, or even scrupulosity, which involves intense worries about being “good enough.”

    Scrupulosity can lead to questions like, “Am I liked by my peers?” or “Is God angry at me?” There are even forms of OCD involving fears about things of a sexual nature. For example, I’ve worked with students who are overwhelmed by the fear that they may have acted inappropriately or done something deviant. They constantly feel the need to check or ask for reassurance, which turns into compulsions.

    OCD involves obsessive thoughts that are hard for the person to let go of, causing a lot of stress and turmoil. Compulsions are actions they take to try to reduce this anxiety. For example, if someone fears contamination, they might wash their hands to ease the anxiety. But as the anxiety builds back up, they feel the need to wash their hands again, eventually getting caught in a cycle where they’re washing their hands repeatedly.

    Compulsions can take many forms—washing, checking, or constantly seeking reassurance. For instance, someone who worries they’re a bad person might ask friends and family, “Am I a good person?” over and over. It’s tough for family members not to say, “Yes, you’re a good person,” because that’s the natural response. But by continuing to ask, they reinforce that negative feedback loop, where reassurance only temporarily keeps the anxiety at bay until the next episode.

    I once worked with a student with a particularly intense form of OCD. One day, he brought in five pages of notes he’d written as his “rules” for managing his anxiety. The pages detailed every little thing he could do—if one option wasn’t available, he had a backup and a backup for the backup. After he read about a third of the page, I stopped him and asked, “Do you realize this is all just a bunch of tricks your brain is playing on you?” He said, “Yes, Mark, but it makes me feel better.”

    Tiffany: Wow.

    Mark: And that’s the tough part. We had to talk about facing his anxiety instead of running from it. Ultimately, overcoming OCD means challenging that anxiety, not feeding it through endless compulsions.

    Exploring Social Anxiety

    Tiffany: Can you dive a bit deeper into what social anxiety is?

    Mark: Sure. Social anxiety often centers around a fear of not fitting in, of not being “good enough,” or not being accepted by others. When we talk about ego strengths—the ability to see oneself as inherently good or valuable—many of these students struggle. For example, if a friend calls to invite them out, instead of thinking, “Great, that’ll be fun!” they might assume, “They’re only calling because they feel bad for me” or “Their mom told them to.”

    Tiffany: Or they think people feel sorry for them.

    Mark: They struggle to recognize that they have qualities others genuinely want to be around. I often challenge them to engage with their peers and to ask friends to do things together. Sometimes, I’ll even suggest holding a session in the community. Right now, the popular activity is playing Magic, so a student might go out and say, “Hey, want to play Magic with me?” And when the others respond enthusiastically, it starts to break down that negative self-perception.

    Building ego strength is key here. It’s also about learning to accept rejection as part of life. Many students think that if someone says “no” to an invitation, it’s the end of their social life. But in reality, rejection is a normal part of life. Learning to handle it sets them up for future success, whether it’s applying for jobs or asking a significant other a big question.

    Tiffany: And there’s also that suspicion about sincerity, right? Like, “Are you just saying that to be nice?”

    Mark: Right, exactly. They often question whether others are being honest with them, wondering if compliments or kindness are genuine. That lack of trust can be a big hurdle.

    I see this a lot with my students. When I give them positive feedback, like, “Hey, you're doing great in this area,” they often respond, “No, that's not true.”

    Tiffany: They think you're just saying that because you're their therapist.

    Mark: They often tell me, “You have to say that, you’re getting paid to say it.” So, I joke with them, “Go ask this other student if I’m telling them the same thing.” It usually surprises them, but I’m only giving praise when it’s deserved. They’re killing it in certain areas, and I want them to hear it.

    But with peers, it's different. I've had students say things like, “So-and-so said this, but they're only saying it because they want something, or because my therapist told them to.” They struggle to believe that someone might genuinely like them or see something special in them. It’s tough for them to accept that others truly value them.

    Panic Disorders Explained

    Mark: Now, when it comes to social anxiety, you also have to consider panic disorders. I remember a DBT class in grad school where the therapist said something interesting about panic disorders. He explained that panic doesn’t just suddenly hit; it’s a build-up. You have these 30 smaller things happening along the way, but you’re so caught up in the anxiety that you don’t see them until it all leads to that panic moment.

    Tiffany: The little red flags.

    Mark: Yeah, exactly. Those little warning signs saying, “Hey, something’s coming.” And then suddenly, it all hits. With my students, we often do what’s called a behavioral chain analysis when they experience a panic attack. They might say, “I walked into class and had a panic attack,” as if it happened out of nowhere. But then we break it down.

    So I’ll ask, “What was going on when you woke up?” They might say, “I was already worried about a test.” Then I ask, “What happened at breakfast?” and they mention getting feedback about not doing a chore correctly. After breakfast, maybe a friend was upset with them. We start to see that the panic attack didn’t just come from nowhere—it built up from a series of small stressors.

    A lot of the time, it’s tempting as a clinician to go straight to managing the immediate anxiety: using square breathing, a sensory tool, or another quick coping skill to bring the anxiety down. And while those techniques can help at the moment, they’re just a band-aid.

    What makes a difference is helping them understand the buildup, that trail of small events. If students can backtrack and recognize those triggers as they happen, they’re often much more able to manage or even prevent the panic attack, rather than just relying on coping skills once it’s already hit.

    Tiffany: What about agoraphobia?

    Mark: Agoraphobia is interesting because it involves a strong fear of being in public spaces. People often mix up social anxiety and agoraphobia, but they’re different. Agoraphobia is less about socializing and more about feeling safe in large groups or public settings.

    For example, someone with agoraphobia might feel anxious about going to a crowded market or a concert, worrying about things like being shoved in a mosh pit or trampled. It’s helpful to work with them on assessing threats realistically. If they’re afraid of being trampled, they could start by standing on the outskirts of a concert rather than near the stage. Or, if a market feels overwhelming during peak hours, they might go in the evening when it’s less crowded and gradually build up to visiting at busier times.

    Tiffany: Can you explain the difference between social anxiety and just being an introvert?

    Mark: Great question! As an introvert myself, I can tell you it’s a big difference. Social anxiety comes with a real sense of danger. A person with social anxiety might feel an intense, almost paralyzing fear about social situations—like their "fight or flight" response kicks in. They’ll think, "I can’t go in there, no matter what."

    In contrast, an introvert might not feel afraid; they’d just rather not be in social situations. It’s more like, "I’d prefer to hang out with a few close friends or spend time reading a book." If you ask an introvert to give a presentation, they might not be excited, but they’ll usually do it without that intense "fight or flight" reaction.

    Also, introverts tend to be more introspective—they can talk through why they’d rather stay home or avoid big groups. But for someone with social anxiety, they might simply freeze and be unable to explain why they’re afraid; they just feel that they can’t do it.

    Understanding Co-occurring Disorders

    Tiffany: Lastly, let’s talk about anxiety with co-occurring disorders.

    Mark: At WayPoint, almost every student we see has a co-occurring disorder. The students who come here have often been through multiple levels of care—everything from inpatient to outpatient programs, IOPs, and partial hospitalizations. I read somewhere that around 60% of people with anxiety have some kind of co-occurring disorder.

    From my experience, the most common disorders paired with anxiety are depression and ADHD. For example, with depression, you often see a student who desperately wants to succeed, who has goals but feels blocked from achieving them. This frustration leads to a deep depression, a feeling of “I want to move forward, but something’s stopping me, and I don’t know why.”

    ADHD is another common co-occurring condition, especially with the structure of most school systems today. We’re asking kids with ADHD to sit still for hours and complete paperwork—it sends their anxiety through the roof.

    Tiffany: Yeah.

    Mark: They’re thinking, “My brain doesn’t work this way; what are you trying to make me do?”

    Tiffany: Absolutely.

    Mark: I also see a lot of students with autism who struggle with anxiety. Many of these students face constant social challenges and misunderstandings. Imagine trying to engage in social situations where you don’t understand the social cues, like trying to communicate in a foreign country without knowing the language—it’s incredibly anxiety-inducing.

    Tiffany: That reminds me of when my husband moved to China. I don’t think he’d mind me sharing, but he was so anxious that he didn’t leave his apartment for three days. He finally went to Burger King just because they had a touchscreen menu. I can’t imagine the stress of trying to “read the room” without the usual social pathways. It would be overwhelming.

    Mark: For students with autism, it’s like a disconnect in the neural pathways that help with social understanding. It’s not a lack of intelligence, but they’re missing those automatic social cues others take for granted.

    Tiffany: That would be hard.

    Mark: Then we ask them to sit in a classroom or interact with peers—it’s a huge challenge. Honestly, I’d feel the same way.

    Tiffany: I would too.

    Mark: I remember moving from a tiny town in Idaho, with a population of just 400, to Anaheim and Newport Beach in California. Even as an adult, the culture shock was intense.

    Tiffany: That’s a huge adjustment.

    Mark: I was just like, “I don’t know how to handle this.”

    And that brings up a lot of anxiety. Plus, we often see OCD mixed in with anxiety.

    Tiffany: Okay.

    Mark: OCD is technically an anxiety disorder, but people can also have generalized or social anxiety alongside it. It makes sense—someone with obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors might realize, on some level, “This isn’t typical, what I’m doing is a little different.” But they keep doing it because it feels like a way to stay safe.

    This can lead to social anxiety too. They might start thinking, “Do others think I’m weird? Do they think I’m just out of my mind?” That awareness only adds to their anxiety.

    Substance Abuse and Self-Medication

    Tiffany: What about substance use? Do you see that as a coping mechanism for anxiety?

    Mark: Definitely. At WayPoint, we don’t typically admit the “sex, drugs, and rock and roll” crowd. But we do make exceptions for teens who may have used substances to cope with anxiety. I remember a student a few years ago who had a lot of alcohol use. When we looked deeper, it turned out he was drinking alone in his basement, not for fun or to party, but just to deal with life. We see the same with marijuana, where teens use it to take the edge off and feel like they can handle schoolwork or social situations.

    Tiffany: I’ve seen that with marijuana too.

    Mark: Exactly. Marijuana often provides a sense of relief. For some teens, it makes them feel like they can engage with others and function. Plus, marijuana culture is pretty accepting, which can be appealing to those anxious about fitting in. It gives them a welcoming group, where they don’t feel as judged.

    Tiffany: Especially for those with social anxiety. I know people who feel like they can’t talk or engage socially unless they’re drinking or using something to reduce their anxiety.

    Mark: Yes, and that leads to self-medication. They might think, “I need a drink or a joint just to feel okay enough to be social.” While it’s understandable, it can become problematic if it starts affecting their job, school, or other responsibilities. For example, some students get caught with a vape or a joint in their backpack at school. Sure, they’re breaking the rules, but often they’re just trying to self-medicate.

    It’s no different than a student taking medication prescribed by a psychiatrist, except one is legal and regulated, and the other isn’t. So, we try to help them find healthier, legal ways to manage their anxiety.

    Tiffany: That makes a lot of sense.

    Nature vs. Nurture in Anxiety

    Tiffany: Let’s talk briefly about what may cause anxiety. We have environmental factors, but then there’s also a genetic predisposition. Can you explain the difference?

    Mark: Ah, the classic nature versus nurture question. Which one is responsible for causing anxiety? Whenever I’m speaking to parents or giving presentations, I end up saying, “It’s both.” And I sometimes wonder if I’m taking the easy way out! But really, I think both play a role.

    From what I’ve seen with the students I work with, there’s almost always a family connection—one parent or someone in the family has a history of anxiety or an anxiety disorder. So, there’s a genetic component.

    Then, on the nurture side, there’s how anxiety might be modeled in the home. I often share this example with parents: imagine I’m playing with my daughter, and the doorbell rings. If I react by saying, “Oh my gosh, what are we going to do?” and do this every time the doorbell rings, my daughter will start to associate the doorbell with anxiety. After just a few times, she’ll likely start reacting with, “Oh my gosh, what are we going to do?” herself.

    Tiffany: My dog does that, too.

    Mark: Right, exactly. But if I approach it calmly—maybe check the time and slowly go to the door—my daughter sees that I’m not reacting to the doorbell as if it’s a threat. Over time, she learns not to see it as a threat, either. This is called threat appraisal, and kids pick up a lot from how their parents respond to things.

    Another example is school performance. Some parents get very anxious about their child’s grades, wanting them to succeed, to get into a good school, and so on. These parents may be constantly checking online portals to monitor their child’s grades and assignments. When kids see that, they often develop the same habit—constantly checking and refreshing their grades instead of focusing on the actual schoolwork.

    So, when a teacher says, “Little Jimmy keeps checking his grades but isn’t completing his work,” it often traces back to the behavior he’s picked up at home. The parents might wonder where that habit came from, but it’s often a learned response to their anxiety about his success.

    Tiffany: I’ve seen this so many times, whether with family members, clients, or through working in sobriety. Parents often notice their kids are anxious or struggling, but it can take a while to realize that the parents themselves are experiencing similar anxiety because they’re so focused on their kids. It’s important for us, as therapists, to challenge family systems and encourage parents to step back and reflect: “How might I be contributing to this?” It’s not about being a bad parent—this is natural. Gaining self-awareness to see that when we feel anxious and project it onto our kids, they’re likely to react similarly.

    Mark: I love how you talk about taking that step back—it’s classic systems theory, isn’t it?

    Tiffany: Yes, exactly.

    Mark: We can’t view the child with anxiety as “the problem” or the “identified patient.” We need to look at the entire family system. While the child’s behaviors might be the reason they’ve come to WayPoint or sought therapy, there’s usually something deeper within the family system. This doesn’t necessarily mean the parents have anxiety or are accommodating it. It could be other family stressors, like a divorce or a major life change.

    Even seemingly smaller things, like moving to a new city, can leave a child feeling like they’re “floating in the abyss,” away from everything familiar. Or it could be something as simple as a parent changing jobs. Even if the family doesn’t relocate, a child might wonder, “Why did Mom or Dad switch jobs? Are we in financial trouble?”

    Tiffany: Right.

    Mark: The child might start to worry about things like, “Are we not making enough money? Are we going bankrupt?” So sometimes it’s about having an honest conversation to explain, “This is why we moved,” or “This is why there was a career change,” to help them understand and feel secure.

    From what I’ve observed, nurture tends to be a significant factor in anxiety. Something in the environment or in the way a child is raised often influences the direction of their anxiety.

    Tiffany: That makes a lot of sense.

    Treatment Options for Anxiety

    Tiffany: What types of treatments are available for anxiety? And let’s discuss why ERP might be a better choice compared to other treatments.

    Mark: Sure, you’ve got the basics.

    Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or CBT, is one you hear about all the time. I listen to podcasts, and it's funny because they'll often dive into CBT, and I'm like, “Yep, I already know this one.” However, CBT is worth discussing briefly since ERP is a type of CBT. CBT generally focuses on how your thoughts influence your behaviors.

    Tiffany: I think CBT also helps bring mindfulness to the core beliefs you hold, and then the patterns of behavior that follow.

    Mark: Beyond CBT, we have Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, or ACT, which is another effective approach. And there’s ERP, which I’m passionate about. There’s also Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, or DBT, and techniques like Motivational Interviewing, which can also help treat anxiety. But my main focus is ERP.

    Tiffany: Just to clarify, what exactly is ERP?

    Mark: ERP, or Exposure and Response Prevention, is a form of CBT. It works by changing the way we think about certain situations, which in turn helps us respond differently, without the automatic anxiety-driven reactions.

    Tiffany: In our next session, we’ll dive deeper into ERP specifically—how it works, why it’s different, and why it can be particularly effective for parents whose teens are struggling with anxiety, especially if other therapies haven’t quite worked. Thank you so much for joining us today.

    Mark: Thanks for having me.

    Tiffany: Thank you.

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